LITV Episode 4 | Prayer

PRAYER – EPISODE 4

IN THIS EPISODE…

  • 01:10 We begin with an apology for being away so long. We are happy that we are together again.
  • 01:45 – Where do we start? Prayer is something that we’ve all struggled with at some point. John talks about prayer being:
    • An act of worship
    • Something we’ve been given as an opportunity to come before the God of the universe.
  • 02:48 – Some items of note and struggles with prayer are brought up such as:
    • Does your mind wander when you pray?
    • How do you find time to pray?
  • 03:49 – A discussion begins about prayer is coming before the throne, and the reverant holy attitude we should have.
    • We love all the elders at our church, and seriously, we could listen to Kevin speak all day long.
    • John J. takes about the solitary places he has to pray, and the choices aren’t vast, or holy for that matter. However, even in those places, we live Coram Deo
    • John J. likens his train of thought to Amtrak.
    • John C. provides a PSA – Don’t close your eyes when you pray in the car.
    • While you can pray about what you want, James 4 shows us that your motive are important.
  • 07:51 Segment 2 begins
    • Are there differences in prayer between the Old Testament and New Testament?
      • John C. believe there is. In the Old Testament, you find God speaking audibly to people and the prophets. That doesn’t exist so much in the New Testament.
      • James points out that our relationship with God is different. The Israelites could only go so far with God. In Christ, the barrier that existed for them is gone because of what Christ did for us. In Exodus, only Moses had that kind of access to God.
      • We have a backstage pass.
  • 11:00 – We begin a wonderful discussion on addressing God as Father.
    • It was scandalous to call God Father in the Jewish culture.
    • In the New Testament, the Pharisses call Abraham their father, not God.
    • While we need to fear and revere the Lord, we have an intimate relationship with God expressed by the fact that we call him Father.
  • 13:55 – The big question is asked, why do we need to pray to an all knowing God?
    • John C. first says who is prayer for? You, God, or both?
    • James enlightens us that Matthew 6:7-8, Christ points out that God knows what we need before we ask.
    • God works through means. He uses prayer as one of those means.
    • Prayer demonstrates our dependence on God.
    • Prayer is used for our sanctification.
    • Prayer is the starting point of conforming us to God, but we need to move towards the goal.
  • 17:75 – What is the result? Deeper fellowship with God.
    • John C. plumbs the depths of deeper fellowship between an awesome God and a lowly man.
    • Ephesians 3:14. That is the result.
  • 21:26 Segment 3 the “Nuts and Bolts” Segment begins
    • Tripartide is not really a word. John J. admits to being an immature believer and John and James readily agree. Then we move on to the important things. Modeling prayer.
    • Disciples should model prayer to each other. Listen to the elders of the church pray. James visited another church, and they use everything as a teaching moment and the congregants pray like the elders on Sunday.
    • James talks about using Scripture to model prayer. In a stunning turn of events, John C. WANTS James to keep talking. We will keep you updated on whether we see flying pigs in the meantime.
    • James uses the Lord’s prayer Matthew 6:9-13 and walks us through some parts of it as a prayer model.
    • It is okay to have a pattern of prayer. John J. uses ACTS. A – Adoration, C-Confession, T-Thanksgiving, and S-Supplication. However, it’s important to remember our motives. These patterns are useful to focus our mind, but it must not become rote.
    • “Praying the Bible” by Donald Whitney is discussed and James really likes how these strategies help turn prayer into a two way conversation with God.
    • “Just Like Jesus: Biblical Strategies for Growing Well” by Phil Moser helped John J realize that the Lord’s Prayer and others are not exhaustive. They are models showing us how to get started. Jesus prayed for hours.
  • 32:01 Segment 4 begins
    • The team really focuses on motives. Time in prayer is important. They discuss one of the major ditches and that praying according to our own desires. We need to focus on praying according to God’s desires.
    • DA Carson said in his book “A Call to Spiritual Reformation”, ”Effective prayer is a fruit of a relationship with God, not a technique for acquiring blessings.”
    • We need to teach others to pray according to God’s will as stated in 1 John 5:14-15.
    • We start to go over some of the resources, and items we use to help us with our prayer lives. In all of this, we don’t want to lose focus on our heart attitude.
    • While there is nothing wrong with praying for things we need, we must avoid the treacherous ditch of the prosperity gospel.
    • There is then a discussion on answers to prayers, and how God uses the timing of answers in our sanctification.
  • 39:25 – A discussion begins on PrayerMate an app that a few of the branches use in their walk. John J. also references the blog by Tim Challies that pointed him to PrayerMate
    • John J. has more excuses, then asks James and John C. to describe their prayer life.
    • James, the king of the resources trots out “The Christian’s Daily Walk” by Henry Scudder as a book that is adding to his prayer life.
    • James is a morning prayer warrior, and John C. is a nighttime prayer warrior.
    • John J. tries to make a joke, but falls flat on his face
    • “The Autobiography of George Muller” by George Muller gives John J. nightmares as he cannot live up to a Godly man like him. John J. also gives us a geometry lesson, and a look into his mind. James lays down some truth which stops John J. in his tracks. While they don’t mention it, look to Hebrews 4:12 John. That Scripture cut you deep.
  • James ends the show with a quote by Bingham Hunter, from his book “The God Who Hears”, “No matter how large a spiritual giant you may become there will be days when Gods answer to your prayers will be no. despite your seeking, searching and the outpouring of your soul, your heavenly father has decided against your petition. When this happens, your attitude becomes the vital factor. Are you willing to give your hurt disappointment perhaps even grief to Christ who died for you and then begin to pray again? Prayer problems are usually not intellectual but volitional. In praying effectively, the submission of your will is directly linked with finding gods will. Prayer which god answers is offered with an attitude of submission. Are you willing to say when God’s response to your urgent prayer is not the one you wanted Have thy own will Lord, have thy own way?”

SCRIPTURE DISCUSSED IN THE SHOW

      • Mark 1:35 Episode Verse
      • James 4
      • Matthew 6:7-8
      • Ephesians 3:14
      • Matthew 6:9-13
      • 1 John 5:14-15

RESOURCES WE MENTIONED IN THE SHOW

EPISODE LENGTH 50:21

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Thanks so much for tuning in. Join us again next week for another episode when we discuss Prayer!

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