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  • John Wilkinson posted an update in the group Group logo of Bible Thumping WingnutBible Thumping Wingnut 8 months, 1 week ago

    General Han Solo, a regular on the Council of Google Plus, claims that 2 Corinthians 4:4 shows proof of the existence of other gods in our Universe.
    (2Cor 4:4 )
    In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
    Although he is a Christian, can one really claim to be a Christian and still believe in this hypocrisy?
    Any thoughts?

    • there are many who have bad hermeneutics which can produce some goofy beliefs yet still, in spite of all that, are saved…
      In this persons defense (I don’t even know him, just trying to see where they might be coming from), there are a lot of “little g” gods talked about in Scripture, hence the sin of idolatry and God being the “God of gods” (Deut 10:17). Even Jesus, in John 10, used one of the passages from the psalms about them, to correct the Pharisees. Of course, when you look at the totality of Scripture you see that these gods are not God (Jeremiah 10) and that there is only One and He knows of no other (Isaiah 43:10) but I’m sure there’s room for some confusion and he might just need someone to come along side him and show him these things and a proper understanding of the text…. hope that helps

    • @andrew-rappaport after talking to that gentleman found that he was referring to Angels and Demons as other gods.

      • …but Angels and Demons are not categorized as gods… So his premise is faulty at best.

        • I will let @andrew-rappaport explain it

          • Actually @atomicglue Han is correct in a few places elohim is use to speak of angels and once of men. However, I think (as I stated to him) that it is confusing to talk as he does without explaining it.

            • My point is that as Christians, it is essential to believing in one God. Monotheistic. By insinuating that there are other gods outside of Yahweh is not being monotheistic. But, you’re right. Han is terrible at being clear with his definitions and ideas.

        • He is monotheistic be scholars that do not teach like the confusion for it makes them seem more scholarly.

    • I think it’s clear that scripture talks about other gods (lower case g), but that it isn’t claiming there are actually other non-created beings like God. These other gods are simply angels or demons or in rare cases humans. It’s a term of idolatry and of power and authority. Satan is called the god of this world, but scripture isn’t claiming that he’s actually a god, but rather that he has been given power and authority over the world in its current state.

      I agree that using the term “gods” when talking about these angels and demons can be very misleading and isn’t wise, but it isn’t heretical as far as I can tell. I’ve also gotten into arguments with people about this topic because I misunderstood them and thought they were advocating for polytheism when they were simply speaking to the lesser created creatures like angels and demons.

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