The Marxist Beginnings of Government Education

Adam Staub of “Shine As Lights” joins guest co-hosts with Len.  Up for discussion is the Marxist beginnings of the American Public Education system. The debate on public education vs. homeschooling rages on. The basis for this discussion and all quotes given come from the free ebook “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America” by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt. Click here to watch the Voddie Baucham clip.


Wilhelm Wundt

Founder of experimental psychology and the force behind its dissemination throughout the western world. his foundational theory became the basis for teacher training for 150 years and still is.

What did he teach? That children are nothing more than a stimulus response mechanism, nothing more than animated meat made up of neurons and electro chemical reactions. 

Edward Lee Thorndike

1903: Professor of education, wrote 507 books on the methods of teaching which helped form the basis of teaching and education policy still followed today. “children can be equated to rats, monkeys, fish, cats and chickens. Animals that simply need to be programmed.

John Dewey

The Father of modern education, actually the father of progressive education. (search YouTube for progressive education). Dewey wrote “Psychology” the most widely read and quoted text book used in schools by teachers. Dewey taught that the primary commitment to literacy is the greatest problem the American school system faced. “The plea for the predominance of learning to read in early education seems to me a perversion. Undue premium is put upon the ability to read. At a certain chronological age, the entertainment plus information motive for reading conduces the habit of solitary self entertainment. We violate the childs nature and render difficult the best ethical results by introducing the child to abruptly to a number of special studies of reading, writing, geography. The true center of correlation on the schools subjects is not science, nor literature, nor history, nor geography, but the child’s own social activities. the mere absorbtion of facts and truth is so exclusively an individual affair that it tends very naturally to pass into selfishness. There is no obvious social motive for the acquirement of learning. There is no social gain in it. “

G Stanley Hall: John Dewey’s professor

It is better to be illiterate: “The knowledge that illiterates acquire is probably much larger proportionally than what is practical. Moreover they escape eye strain and mental excitement, and other things being equal are probably more active and less sedentary. Illiterates escape certain temptations such as vacuous and vicious reading. Perhaps we are prone to put too high a value on the ability to read and the discipline involved in doing so.”

This is the history of modern education, and these are the teachers who are teaching your kids teachers.

Why are we surprised that only 50% of HS graduates are literate?

The general board of education was incorporated by Congress in 1902, endowed by John D. Rockafeller. The purpose was to set up an educational laboratory to experiment with the very educational system that Wundt, Thorndike, and Dewey proposed.

Frederick Gates

First director of the General Board of Education wrote “In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions fade from our minds and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon the grateful and responsive folk.”

This is the Marxist history of the American Public education system. It’s the genesis of our brainwashing.

  1. Coleen Sharp 6 years ago

    I’m a huge proponent of church schools. These aren’t Christian schools, but rather schools which are for the members of that specific church, provided regardless of ability contribute financially. There’s a Reformed denomination who has it in place already. It’s possible. I know of a poor church in a southern Texas border town who has done it. It’s possible. And I don’t want to hear from the people who attended Christian Schools and had a horrible experience. This is very different.

    There’s several different models, I’ve done a lot of research for something I’m writing on this (which will be published on BTWN). In smaller churches they can function almost like an extended homeschool. Parents, especially moms when possible work at the schools.

    We can discuss all day long whether Christians should send their children to public schools. This is a different conversation. The problem is, you’re leaving kids out. There are simply people who don’t have homeschooling as an option. Single parents are just one example. And I’m not speaking of of those parents who refuse to do it, or think it will be too hard. I’m speaking of people like my friend whose husband left her and she can’t work full time and homeschool. And she homeschooling until her husband left her. That’s only one story, I could tell you them all night.

    There’s people I know personally who would listen to this and say, “I agree, but I’m stuck.” I get to deal with the women in tears who don’t want their children in public schools, but they don’t know what to do. And the church is little help. And few people will do what I’ve done, take the children of a single parent into their home and homeschool them, while their mom is at work. I homeschooled the children of a single parent, I homeschooled the daughter of a family in our church when their mom was on bedrest through her whole pregnancy. But few people will do what I have. I know this personally. The most judgmental people are unwilling to help. And quite frankly, I’m tired of it. If you’re not willing to help those left out, be careful of your judgment, because I will judge you back, unashamedly.

    The church has failed in this. In recent years, they’ve had a hands off approach to the education of its children. Sure, some people preach homeschooling, but I personally don’t believe it’s the answer. I’ll debate anyone on this. Although I believe my view of Reformed covenant theology insists on the Church’s involvement.

    Lastly, a different subject, but I must mention. People must not believe homeschooling will guarantee committed Christian children who will walk obediently with the Lord. We were in a homeschooling group for years. All or most of us believed it. If only we did everything right, our kids would be committed Christians. Some of the worst rebellion I have ever seen has been from homeschooling children when they leave home. I could say much about that also. That’s a lie that I too believed, if I homeschooled and did everything right, my kids would never rebel and they would walk with the Lord. And these are children from wonderful Christian families, many Reformed, not all of their children rebel, but some. Salvation is still of the Lord.

    For the record, I decided I would homeschool my children when I was a teenager. My husband told me before he would even date me, “My wife will not work once we have children, and my children will be homeschooled.”

    And I taught my children to love learning. I have an almost 17 year old son who wakes up at 3:30 every morning to work on studying languages, apart from the Spanish he’s learning for high school. He’s taught himself Swedish from an online program, well enough that he’s reading a popular book in Swedish, he can converse in Swedish (we still have family in Sweden). He’s also learning Norwegian and Icelandic. I used Singapore math with my younger two, so they both are excellent at math. Algebra 2 by 9th grade, trigonometry and pre-calculus in 10th, and so on.

    You’ll have to hear the rest of the story later.

    But preaching homeschooling for those who can and refuse is only one side of the story. And it’s very hurtful to those who agree but are stuck.

    And shame on the church for their hands off approach. And shame on those who judge those who don’t who won’t do anything to help those who can’t.

    I’ve been researching this for quite some time.

    • Adam Staub 6 years ago

      Amen @reformedgal! I still think the “other options” topic is one we should explore more…we could only touch on it in passing but is essential for the church to discuss so that we can properly love one another and bear each others burdens! I do hope you found us hinting in those directions and covering the fact that, yes, so much more needs to be fleshed out in all this

      • Coleen Sharp 6 years ago

        My comment wasn’t directed at you specifically, it wasn’t a commentary on the episode, but the church overall and the problems in general and the hope the Church will get it’s act together. I believe strongly the Church overall has failed it’s members and it’s children by their hands off approach and a very small percentage are even talking about it. Of course there’s the people preaching homeschooling, but keeping their hands off still.

        I’ve already written an article on this and hope to release it this week. I’ve spent about the last year researching it in detail, so there will Lord willing be several parts to it.

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