BTWN Episode 257

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Brannon Howse’s World View Weekend 

Dr. James White’s Alpha & Omega Ministries

Dr. White’s Video response to Brannon Howse 

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  1. Cheri Brier 5 years ago

    I think you were talking about Justin Peters not Justin Pierce just to be clear.

  2. Kirby Wallace 5 years ago

    I cannot believe that I am actually having to take time to write a blog article on this very subject.

    But I am, because this matter is DIVISIVE. And it hits home for me personally because my own wife has picked up on the Brannon Howse, Paul Flynn attack not just on James White, but on LOTS of solid men of God: John MacArthur, James White, R.C. Sproul, and now, most lately, Phil Johnson.

    I have tried to reason with her, and so far, the best I’ve been able to cram in, sideways, is the admonishment “I advise you to steer clear of these guys”.

    About the most concise, to-the-point argument that can be made is simply this:

    To people like Brannon Howse, Robert Spencer, Paul Flynn, Pam Gellar, and the like, Christianity is a POLITICAL WORLDVIEW to be ACTED UPON (most often in the voting booth, or via the pocketbook). To them, Christianity is not a THEOLOGY to be BELIEVED.

    That sums it up pretty tightly as far as I see it. WorldView Weekend’s materials are political, cultural, and conspiratorial. You will find lots of political ACTION, and not much at all in the area of Gospel PREACHING.

    That about sums it up, as far as I am concerned. But men who are “willing to speak evil of dignities” are men to be avoided. Their entire foundation is a spotty interpretation of just two scriptures: 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 and 2 John 9-11.

    Both of these scriptures are a warning from the Apostle Paul not be to yoked together IN MINISTRY with unbelievers, or false brethren.

    James White is not by ANY measure trying to join together with muslims in MINISTRY. But he Is trying to avoid Christians being led into (valid) charges of hypocrisy by defaming muslims for teaching (in many cases) the exact same thing Christians teach.

    White is not in any way trying to whitewash islam. Muslims are the avowed enemies of God and will be burned in the fires of hell soon enough. But we as Christians DO still have the command to go forth and save some “as though by fire”, bringing in some still smelling of smoke.

    And we are not likely to have that opportunity to minister even to the most evil of God’s enemies by lying about them. How successful should we expect that to be? That’s hardly being “wise as serpents”. And in the mean time, such hypocritical actions only help HARM the cause of Christ, because these muslims then use our own words and tactics as reasons why Christians are liars and charlatans. And they do not even need to lie or misrepresent us to be correct.

    There IS such a thing as intellectual dishonesty, and it is nothing less than a form of LYING.

    So, rather than take a 3 minute exerpt from a two hour video, take the time to look up what James White himself has said about the matter. It’s worth the time and effort.

    • Author
      Tim Hurd 5 years ago

      What did you think of the podcast?

      • Kirby Wallace 5 years ago

        Tim, are you directing this question at me? If so, it sounds to me like you agree with Brannon Howse in essence, but disagree with the arguments he employed to his end. I think James is guilty of being too conciliatory in order to open inroads. I think Qadhi is doing exactly what Howse is charging – he is deliberately whitewashing Islam. The difference is White is not willing to resort to charges of “liar liar, pants on fire” in a discussion, knowing that such a reaction will not open any doors into reaching muslims. He is willing to be “harmless as doves” while also being “wise as a serpent”. But that is not “emotionally satisfying” to those people who want to broadbrush all muslims as satanic devil worshippers (in spite of the fact that that is exactly what they are). He is seeking a soft answer to turn away great wrath. Too many people – myself included – want to jump straight to “great wrath”. Jesus mentioned me in the New Testament. I was one of the brothers – the “Sons of Thunder” who asked, “Lord, would you that we should call down fire from heaven to destroy them?” Jesus said “no”. I think James White realises this.

  3. Julie 5 years ago

    The issue isn’t whether someone is or is not an extremist and whether we should associate with them or not. The issue is whether someone of any false belief system should be brought into a Christian church assembly in order to teach Christians the “real truth” about their belief system. The issue is whether a pastor or elder should be dialoging with unbelievers in a Christian assembly and giving the unbeliever the floor to share their beliefs. When is the church ever told in the scriptures to act in this way? Is there even any example of such in the New Testament? It seems rather that the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles considered false doctrine and religions to be spiritually lethal and treated them accordingly, with warnings and admonitions to mark and avoid. No dialogue is needed to give someone the gospel. I am not talking about a one-on-one witnessing encounter where of course we dialogue. I am talking about a church gathering and what is biblical activity for a Christian assembly.

    Your other point about someone’s past history of being godly or biblically sound and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Well, I do think we should carefully consider that and use respect and care in dealing with them. But unfortunately someone’s past orthodoxy is no guarantee of present or future soundness. Besides, we all have blind spots and even the godliest person can make errors of judgment.

  4. Charles 5 years ago

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    Are you not wanting what I said to be seen?

  5. Renata Richard 5 years ago

    This issue should have been taken care of privately between mr. White and Mr Howse…not in the social media forum….

  6. John Wilkinson 5 years ago

    Right on, Tim. This whole fiasco is getting WAY out of hand.
    This is all nitpicking and name calling just to find any reason to target Calvinism. Sad.
    Great quote, @reformedgal

  7. Charles 5 years ago

    Agree a ton with what you said about good points mingled with bad ones. I have to wonder though…do you have the backbone to list the good points?

    How can you critique people for doing it wrong and then not say anything?

    You sort of played the “your both wrong” card and sucked up a ton to James White to be honest. It almost seemed at one point as if you were scared to say James White might be in any wrong, listening to your voice and the pauses is really telling that you are terrified he will not keep you on his contact list or something. Pretty sad if you ask me Tim.

    Don’t take this as an attack. I am making the point that has to be made here. I agree with most of what your saying, but you took the easy path here. You are standing outside the ring pointing fingers at those inside the ring fighting for truth and correction.

    This man assisted in a blasphemous event. Watch my video, tell me where I went off the rails since apparently nobody can critique him correctly.

    • Author
      Tim Hurd 5 years ago

      “Watch my video, tell me where I went off the rails since apparently nobody can critique him correctly.”

      4:55 when you said Dr. White begged a muslim to teach him.

  8. Coleen Sharp 5 years ago

    Amen Tim.
    I recently quoted someone who said, “How do we look to the world when we treat one another like this?”

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