Tim demonstrates the folly of Open theism and reads a resent blog post by theidolbabbler

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  1. John McCormick 4 years ago

    Contrary to the premise of this podcast/post, Open Theism isn’t stupid. Open Theism is a given in Scripture. There are around 11,000 verses which support Open Theism, including passages like Genesis 2:19 and 22:12, which plainly demonstrate that God does not know the choices humans may make (though likely has a pretty good idea in most cases).

    Genesis 2:19
    (19)  And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every animal of the field and every fowl of the air, and brought them to Adam TO SEE WHAT HE WOULD CALL THEM. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.

    This shows that God did not know what Adam would call each animal.

    Genesis 22:12
    (12)  And He said, Do not lay your hand on the lad, nor do anything to him. FOR NOW I KNOW THAT YOU FEAR GOD, since you have not withheld your son, your only one, from Me.

    This indicates that God did not previously know for certain that Abraham feared Him.

    With passages like these, the usual defense is that these are anthropomorphisms–God speaking as if He were a human.

    The problem with that defense is that it makes God into a liar. The plain reading of these passages mean exactly what they appear to mean, both in English and in the Hebrew they were written in. In both cases, God either did not know what would happen, or He lied and acted as if He didn’t know what would happen. There’s really no third choice, because the grammar constrains the meaning of the words.

    The idea that God doesn’t know everything seems to terrify believers, yet evidence of this can be found throughout Scripture–in those 11,000+ verses I mentioned.

    So how can we resolve this with a God that we know must know everything? Well, knowledge can only exist where it is possible. That is, even God doesn’t know something which cannot be known. God doesn’t know a square circle, because that’s a contradiction. God doesn’t know anything that is nonsense, because it has no meaning which can be known. That ought to be obvious to anyone.

    The problem is that most people believe that time exists from the past into the unknown future. However, there is no independent evidence that time exists at all. Sure, things change, but that’s not the same as time as a dimension. The common idea is that God could sit outside of time and see everything from beginning to end, but if time doesn’t exist like that, then He couldn’t see what doesn’t exist. If the future is open, if it can be whatever God or humans created in His image cause it to be by their choices, then God may know everything NOW and remember everything from the past, but He cannot know the future if we make independent choices.

    God also has all power, so He can choose to cause to happen whatever He desires will happen. He isn’t weak, nor is He ignorant. He just doesn’t necessarily know what we will choose to do. Remember, Scripture proves this beyond any reasonable doubt.

    But that’s great, because it makes sin and evil independent of God. It makes sin and evil the product of humans with true free will, the true free ability to make choices which conflict with the Law of God. If true free will did not exist, then God would be ultimately and fully responsible for all evil. There’s no way to get away from that fact, if the Universe is deterministic in nature.

    There’s more, and the evidence is plain in both Scripture and nature. Both physics and the Bible support a type of Open Theism. (I do not believe in the kind of Open Theism in which God makes mistakes or is powerless to fulfill prophecy. In that way I differ from many Open Theists. God is not weak.)

    It’s easy to call Open Theism stupid, but Scripture supports it. Stupid doctrines are those which contradict Scripture, which, like Calvinism–a wicked false gospel leading many Christians astray today–have developed in the church based upon feelings and false logic, not upon Scripture. These doctrines have spread and maintain a power of their own to lead the church astray from the truth.

    By the way, you misspelled “recent”…

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