Regarding the current discussion concerning John MacArthur’s comments at the “Truth Conference” on Beth Moore Pastor Tom Buck points out that we need to decouple the issues. The first question that must be asked to rightly assess this situation is this: Is Beth Moore in sin?

#1 Beth Moore claims

Jesus talks to her and she recounts the exact words exchanged between the two of them… including things like Jesus telling her to “come out and play” to “build a snowman” and calling her “honey” and “babe” when they talk.

#2 Beth Moore claims

to get revelation, knowledge, and directions from God that she records and speaks: “God began to say to me, ‘I’m gonna say something right now, Beth. And boy you write this one down. And you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it.’”

#3 Beth Moore claims

God speaks to her in visions. “… something God showed me sitting out on the back porch…. I’m a very visual person. So he speaks to me very often by putting a picture in my head…”

#4 Beth Moore promotes

and partners with known false teachers like Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen (just google it). Claims that God gave her a vision that churches that preach a false gospel (e.g., Roman Catholicism) are part of the true church.

#5 Beth Moore violates

God’s created order and usurps the role and function of an elder in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12. She regularly assumes the function of teaching and leading men, including in corporate worship gatherings. These are but a FEW examples.

If you consider Beth Moore’s teachings to be sound, then the criticism leveled at @johnmacarthur isn’t fundamentally about his tone but his wrong rebuke. Just defend her teaching. If you consider her to be in sin, that leads to the question: Was John wrong for his tone?

John MacArthur has made it CLEAR on multiple occasions that he believes Beth Moore is in sin. And her sin is VERY public as every example above is either on video or in print. So this is not a Matthew 18 situation. It is a public rebuke of a public teacher.

I know John genuinely considers, as do I, that Beth Moore is in error and a danger to all who hear her teaching. She’s followed by millions and platformed by influential leaders – including @ERLC, the President of the SBC, @jdgreear, and most books published by @LifeWay.

A commanded responsibility of an elder is to exhort, reprove, silence, and even reprove severely. If Beth Moore is in sin, if she’s misleading many with her false teaching, then John telling her to “go home” is a mild rebuke when you consider Paul’s words to Titus…

Titus 1:9-13 “Holding fast the faithful Word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers…”

Titus 1:9-13 “… who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain… for this reason reprove them severely so that they may be sound in the faith.”

In light of Paul’s commands, I don’t have a problem with John’s tone regarding someone who is teaching dangerous and errant theology. Just because your tone might be less firm and John’s more so doesn’t mean that yours is the “loving” tone and his is the “unloving.”

If Beth Moore is in sin, is it LOVING for SBC leaders to publicly affirm and validate her as a teacher? It’s one thing to not like John’s tone, but quite another to embrace and promote one who teaches dangerous and errant theology.

This is more than a concern over “public mocking.” Beth Moore often publicly mocks her critics and is praised by many of the same people who now criticize John for his rebuke of her. They either agree with Beth’s teaching or are unwilling to confront her in her sin.

If Beth is teaching error, we should at least be as upset about leaders who platform her as we are about the tone of an elder willing to call her out. Your tone might be less polemic, but don’t sit silent as Beth Moore continues to endanger others with false teaching.

Adapted from the twitter feed comments of Pastor Tom Buck concerning the recent comments by Dr. John MacAurthur concerning Beth Moore.


Hosts Tim and Len are a couple of regular guys who started their ministries on YouTube making videos defending the faith and dismantling the arguments of atheism, skepticism, cults and radical unbelief. The Bible Thumping Wingnut Podcast started April 1st of 2014 to encourage Christians to engage in apologetics, evangelism and polemics, and to equip them with the tools and resources to do so to the Glory of God.
  1. Randy Volkening 2 years ago

    One Body. One [universal] Church. One Kingdom. One Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. One Triune God. Christ followers can’t get it together in this life because sinful human nature prevents total and complete unity. But one day, the redeemed will unite in complete victory with the Redeemer and this divisiveness, disharmony, and distain will disappear. Proof text: Psalm 1:3-6. For anyone confused or crying over these silly accusations and personal attacks, please consider reading Hebrews 12:1-3 (my favorite Bible passage). Our focus should be on Jesus Christ, the Author and Perfecter of faith. Man (both male and female) will always disappoint, but the God-Man (Jesus Christ) will never disappoint or fail.

  2. george josiban 2 years ago

    The guy who wrote this essay didn’t list any false teachings of Beth Moore. Her sins seem to be claiming that God talks to her. Why are these claims sins? Don’t all Christians claim to hear the voice of God? I think this essayist is opposed to Beth Moore because she has a following and she’s a woman. Being a woman and leading other Christians may violate the teachings of one of the Pauline Epistles, but it hardly qualifies as a sin in this modern world.

  3. Anonymous poster 2 years ago

    Plenty of evangelical men leave their wives for unbiblical reasons and remarry, (or they pursue other women while they are married) yet you rarely (if ever) hear other evangelical male teachers teaching on this problem. If men can’t commit to staying with their first wives, why aren’t they exhorted to live as “eunuchs,” as the Scripture indicates? (Matthew 19:1-11). Men are not exhorted to do so, because it is a hard and unpleasant teaching for most men. Yet women are expected to obey every hard teaching (that seemingly only apply to women) and are condemned when they don’t.

  4. Reba Craig 2 years ago

    It’s so sad in a world where the body of Christ is under attack by the unbelievers and hated; now to listen to People like you who claim to be Christians but who actively attack the integrity of other Christians
    It’s just plain sickening.

  5. Vicki A DiNitto 2 years ago

    You people OBVIOUSLY do NOT have a PERSONAL relation with GOD.
    And you have NO IDEA what you are MISSING.
    I am NOT a professional speaker, etc, but EVERY last silly thing you mention as an errror is something I experience.
    GOD does speak—His WORD–(not your word—HIS WORD– says my sheep HEAR my Voice! And KNOW my voice.
    How can you know His voice if you deny that He speaks?!

    When you say, “He showed”–it doesn’t necessarily mean “visions”—it means He brings things to mind, that makes His truths clear.

    You are GRASPING at straws and FAILING miserably. Why not ask God, “What am I MISSING, that I do not experience these things, and be willing to allow Him to SHOW you. Quit being SILLY, and nit picking over semantics. Mean and ignorant.

    You’re missing a

  6. Tim 3 years ago

    Beth Moore isn’t being judged . All who promote and listen to her are being judged!

    She is a blind guide leading blind sheep .,

    What did Jesus say on how we are to deal with blind guides ? He said let the blind lead the the blind and both will fall into the Ditch!!

    In the last days many shall come in my Name! Do not be DECEIVED! For baby will follow after their pernicious ways!

    The new and Old Testament is loaded with these warnings against the TBN wolves and profiteers !!!

  7. Eddie Buchanan 3 years ago

    This is very distressing. Women not teaching or having authority over a men is Christianity 101. Even if it wasn’t spelled out, which it is, it’s obvious that Moore is a total fraud. Why is anyone defending this charlatan?

    • Blessing 2 years ago

      Wow! May the eyes of your understanding be opened concerning the issue of Women not teaching the Word of God. The Holy Spirit can use anyone to teach and preach the gospel to either men or fellow women. Galatians 3:28 teaches that we are one in Christ, ‘no male nor female’

  8. rm 3 years ago

    God talks to me in sentences at times….I have an Irish friend …..she said God talks to her in irsh accent….in the Bible God gave people addresses….directions….cooking instructions…..what is your problem with Beth hearing from God….HER BIG SIN IS BEING ANTI TRUMP

  9. Tamara Bradshaw 3 years ago

    Aren’t there more pressing matters going on in the world than tearing down teachers of the gospel? Women are allowed to teach. Maybe someone is getting upset at Beth Moore’s success. I think if McArthur had his way the only thing women would be doing is children’s ministry. He is the only one who seems power hungry? Rousing an audience of pastors to laugh at Ms Moore is sickening and they will be shamed themselves if they don’t turn around and apologize to her.

    • Kenny St.John 3 years ago

      Why is it no one ever mentions Beth Moore’s adopting and then returning a child? Why does she never speak of it? Has anyone ever read a book Moore has ever written on God’s ordained role for women in the home and church? My concern and question concerning Beth is her many revelations she says she has. To me, and I stress to me, they seem to be broad and unverifiable. What church does she attend? Has she ever given a clear answer to the question is homosexuality a sin? What church does she attend? My last question is whose authority is she under? Is she an authority separate from the church? Please, don’t say her husband because she has never said that and you would be trying to answer for her. Now, if you cannot give answers to my questions, why can’t you? Has she never spoken clearly on these matters? If not, why not? Please don’t distract answering my questions by questioning my motives or intentions. I am asking every question sincerely.

      • Dorothy L McDowell 2 years ago

        Get your facts straight before you choose to join with the devil to point fingers and malign fellow Christians. Her biological nephew lived with her for many years. She loved him and wanted to keep him forever BUT his mother, her sister! got her life together and did a complete 180 and so a the expense of her own feelings for Michael, in spite of the pain I caused her, and she made the loving but the hardest thing she ever did. Reunite mother and child. She talked about it! You just have no heard it.

  10. Julie Pace 3 years ago

    What teaching is false? That is what does Beth teach that contradicts scripture? I heard John McArthur teach that it will be ok to receive the mark of the beast. He contradicts scripture. I also heard him speak about all the work he has put in studying the Bible. I listened carefully and I heard no mention of his asking the Lord for guidance as he studied, nor receiving guidance. I was very troubled because I have listened to him from my earliest days as a Christian in 1982. I am done with “scholars” and “elders.” Who is true. I am guided by the Holy Spirit of God and I learn from Hin in silence and Submission to Him.

  11. TOA 3 years ago

    You, sir, have completely lost your mind. Beth is a huge asset to women everywhere. She’s not pastoring. She’s ministering. Big difference. Please stop dividing the kingdom.

  12. Glen 3 years ago

    Can you help me find where Beth talked about playing in the snow with Jesus. I believe what you said but I know some who will say “fake news.”

    Any help would be appreciated.


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